Dr. Nina Kadan-Lottick, The HEROS Clinic for Pediatric
Cancer Survivors
July 11, 2010
Welcome to Yale Cancer Center Answers with Dr. Ed Chu and Dr. Francine Foss, I am Bruce Barber. Dr. Chu is Deputy Director and Chief of Medical Oncology at Yale Cancer Center and Dr. Foss is a Professor of Medical Oncology and Dermatology specializing in the treatment of lymphomas. If you would like to join the conversation, you can contact the doctors directly. The address is canceranswers@yale.edu and the phone number is 1888-234-4YCC. This evening Ed is joined by Dr. Nina Kadan-Lottick. Dr. Kadan-Lottick is an Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Pediatric Oncology at Yale School of Medicine and Medical Director of HEROS clinic at Yale Cancer Center. Here is Ed Chu.
Chu
You are a pediatric oncologist who studies pediatric cancer and
your special area of interest is pediatric cancer
survivorship. One thing we like to do is to introduce our
guest and have them explain how they got interested in the field
that they are in, so maybe you can start off by telling us how you
got interested in studying pediatric cancers and then how you got
interested and very deeply involved in survivorship.
Kadan-Lottick
I knew I wanted to be a pediatric oncologist even before I knew I
wanted to be pediatrician. In medical school, I had the
privilege of getting to know several children going through cancer
treatment very well, and their families, and I was so excited about
the field because we were developing so many new therapies that
were making a difference and it was the cusp of when cancer
treatment went from about 50% survival rates to the majority of
kids surviving their disease, and I was very excited about being
able to help these children. Later, while I was in training for
pediatric oncology, as I was caring for patients and I observed
that my children undergoing therapy for leukemia were experiencing
fractures on therapy and that made me do a lot of reading and I
learned that steroids and methotrexate can cause decreased bone
density. That was a very important thing for an oncologist to be
aware of because there is something to be done, and because I was
aware of that, I started encouraging my patients during therapy to
take calcium supplements and to do more weight bearing exercises,
and from that I wanted to learn more about ways that we can help
children stay well once we rid them of their cancer. We're not just
in this field to cure someone today, or six months from now, we are
here to give them healthy lives for the future.
Chu
One thing that is important to emphasize to our listeners is as you
said, for pediatric cancers, now the expectation is that the vast
majority of the patients will be cured of their disease, which
really is very different when I think about what we see in my
field, in the treatment of adult cancers.
Kadan-Lottick
It is, I think many people would be surprised to know that about
82% of all childhood cancers are cured long term, and that even
some of the cancers that we think of as particularly ominous, like
brain cancer, 2/3 of them are entirely cured and for the most
common type, acute lymphoblastic leukemia, survival rates are above
90%.
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Chu
Just curious, this lymphoblastic leukemia, what fraction of these
cancer patients that you see in your clinical practice makes up the
total proportion of pediatric patients?
Kadan-Lottick
About 25% of children with cancer will have acute lymphoblastic
leukemia, and the majority of those will have the kind that is very
curable and that we are seeing over 90% cure rates.
Chu
What are some of the other pediatric cancers that we can now cure,
or you folks can now cure?
Kadan-Lottick
We have also done very well with brain tumors now that we have
better imaging techniques and our neurosurgery colleagues have more
sophisticated techniques to do surgery and we have certain
chemotherapy we add after surgery. We have also done very
well with the solid tumors including Wilms' tumor, which is over
90% curable. Most recently in neuroblastoma we have newly developed
antibody therapy which even cures the advanced stage
neuroblastomas. So those are the ones that we have made
incredible strides in recently.
Chu
As you say, more than 80% of these patients will be cured. How do
you define a pediatric cancer survivor?
Kadan-Lottick
The government, NIH, and the National Cancer Institute would
describe it very broadly as any individual with childhood cancer
who is living from the point of diagnosis. I actually have a
working definition that's a little different because I think of it
as the care of the long-term health and well being of a
patient. Some of that care does begin during the treatment
period and planning for the future, but I really want to
distinguish this from the type of care managing day to day symptoms
like nausea, and fatigue, and I also want to distinguish this from
the field of deciding what the best therapy initially for the
cancer is, except to give the least toxic possible so that later in
life there are the least problems. Cancer survivorship as a field
is devoted to doing all the health measures that we can to improve
health now and into the future.
Chu
I know for the definition of adult cancer survivors, that
definition is pretty broad and includes not only the patient, but
the loved ones and the caregivers, close family friends. I am
just curious, is that the same kind of broad definition for a
pediatric cancer survivors?
Kadan-Lottick
Absolutely, because every one is affected by the cancer diagnosis,
everyone who cares about the child, and parents are very intimately
involved with their children and a lot of our care is focused at
helping parents take care of themselves so they help their child do
well. A very practical example of an issue that comes up
during therapy that is important later on is the kind of care we
give around painful procedures. We have learned that parents
get very agitated, even more so than the children, and it is
understandable, and if you have kids you know. Around spinal taps
and blood draws, we realize that if we can do better in terms of
making the child comfortable,
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prenatal anxiety decreases and later there is improved long term
outcomes for the child because the parent is able to more relaxed,
supportive, and not so vigilant after the child has completed
therapy. Thus the child can really blossom and not be affected by
greater tension by the parents about the other shoe dropping or the
anxiety that can persist in parents.
Chu
Can you give a sense of magnitude of how many pediatric cancer
survivors there are?
Kadan-Lottick
It is difficult to estimate because there is not a US census of
them, though I wish there were because I'd like them to stay in
follow-up, but we have tried to make a very good estimate by
contacting the different sites that care for children with cancer
and we estimate that there are probably around 270,000 childhood
cancer survivors, but because the greatest strides have
occurred most recently, that really translates to about one in 500
young adults between the ages of 20 and 39. For example, at a large
high school there will be two or three cancers survivors, at a
university there will be several childhood cancer survivors and
there are many that are part of our workforce who need ongoing
care.
Chu
You are the Medical Director for the HEROS clinic for pediatric
cancer survivors at Yale Cancer Center, let's talk a little bit
about the clinic. How did the name HEROS come about and when was
this clinic first established?
Kadan-Lottick
I started this clinic when I was recruited to Yale in 2003 to
start the clinic and to start a survivorship program. The
name HEROS started because that is how we think of our patients and
their family members, so we knew we wanted to use the word HEROS,
that is the word that came in my mind and we made it work. We
worked backward and thought of the words that HEROS could stand
for, which is Heath Education, Research, Outcomes, and
Survivors.
Chu
HEROS is really a great term for what you are trying to accomplish
in your clinic.
Kadan-Lottick
Thanks.
Chu
Who makes up the clinic, who are the other members of your
team?
Kadan-Lottick
On our team, we have a nurse coordinator, Tonetta Christie, we
have a psychologist Lyn Balsamo. There is another oncologist
that works with me, Dr. M. J. Hogan, we have a social worker,
Connie Nicolosi. We also work closely with an endocrinologist
Dr. Stu Weinzimer and with a couple of internists in the community
including Dr. Steve Brodner in terms of reviewing our patients that
are coming to the clinic, deciding what to focus on in the clinic
in terms of what therapy they have had before and what we should
screen for and what health topics we should discuss and then
reviewing and interpreting results of the actual clinic
evaluation.
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Chu
Does every patient who comes to your clinic see each of these
individual members of the team?
Kadan-Lottick
For every patient there is a visit with an oncologist or doctor
who goes over the history and we do a physical with a nurse to go
over health education, including how to optimize health behaviors
like nutrition and diet, exercise, how to do breast self exams, and
our nurse psychologist to screen for learning problems and for
emotional health. Then the endocrinologist, who is not physically
in the clinic, will review all the findings before and after so
that we only send people out to see the endocrinologist if they
need to. A lot of kids need endocrine testing. By the
way, the most common type of complication is hormonal. The social
worker is also on a need basis; certain individuals have trouble
getting health insurance or need help with getting school
services.
Chu
What are the main age groups of patients that you typically see in
your clinic?
Kadan-Lottick
Patients range from age 2 to about 57. They are childhood cancer
survivors and they need specialized care and we are able to provide
it. I will be honest, I am a pediatrician, so we're good at
surveillance and knowing what we should be watching for, but if we
do find problems, I handle that by talking with their internist and
the key to this clinic is we function as a consult clinic, as a
specialty clinic. We want to be an adjunct to excellent
primary care and excellent oncology care, so a key part of what we
do is that we summarize the treatment history from the medical
records. Tonetta, our nurse, does this, she puts it all on one half
page, all of the diagnosis information, the treatment exposure, so
it is in one place and then on the same page we have a problem list
of all of the issues, medical issues, or psychosocial issues, that
have occurred related to the past cancer or cancer treatment so
that any one taking care of that patient, whether it is an ER
physician or primary care doctor, can find in one place every thing
that is needed, because often these patients have very complicated
histories, and childhood cancer survivors as adults are not going
to be able to report what they had accurately. It is too
complicated for anyone to remember in development, so they would
not be in a position to be able to make notes themselves. We
have actually done a study that was published in JAMA a few years
ago that showed that the adult survivors with childhood cancer are
not able to report well even what their diagnosis was, the name of
the diagnosis, never mind what therapy they had. We think of this
as a passport, so to speak, that they have as a key to getting good
care no matter who they see, and that includes the 57 year
old. We provide all the information to our internist and we
give recommendations about other surveillance things that should be
done and problems identified, some of the things we have identified
include second cancers, high cholesterol, and heart failure. We
then discuss with the internist how to follow-up the therapy.
Chu
Why don't we go ahead and take a short break for a medical minute.
Maybe on the other side of the break we can talk a little bit about
some of the short term and long term consequences and or
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potential complications of surviving pediatric cancers.
Please stay tuned to learn more information about pediatric
survivorship with my guest, Dr. Nina Kadan-Lottick from Yale Cancer
Center.
Chu
Welcome back to Yale Cancer Center Answers. This is Dr. Ed
Chu and this evening I am joined by my good friend and colleague
Dr. Nina Kadan-Lottick who is Medical Director of the HEROS clinic
at Yale Cancer Center. This evening we are discussing the important
topic of pediatric survivorship. Before the break Nina, we
were talking a little about the nuts and bolts of your HEROS
clinic, which really again is just a fabulous clinical service that
you are providing for pediatric cancer survivors, and I thought we
could now focus a little bit more detail on some of the short term
and long term consequences that pediatric cancer survivors have to
deal with.
Kadan-Lottick
Absolutely, so first of all the good new is that these children
are surviving to adulthood and now we are even seeing them grow
old, and that is wonderful, but what we have learned is that the
therapies can come at a cost and about two thirds of childhood
cancer survivors will have at least one moderate to severe medical
or psychological complication of their previous cancer therapy, and
the most common ones are hormonal, with hormonal deficiencies,
growth problems, and problems with fertility, but also we see
problems with bone density and osteoporosis and increased risk of
second cancers. The overall risk is low, meaning most people,
most survivors will not get it, but the risk is elevated over the
general population and then something I am particularly interested
in is learning problems, because chemotherapy, as well as
radiation, can effect processing of information including memory
and how fast we can process information.
Chu
I'd imagine the sequelae will depend in large part on the specific
treatment that a patient received; chemotherapy, radiation therapy,
or perhaps a combination of chemotherapy and radiation therapy.
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Kadan-Lottick
I am glad you pointed that you, that is absolutely right and a key
part of the care we provide is just sharing with individuals what
they are at increased risk for, and maybe just as importantly, what
they do not have to worry about, because often there are
misconceptions in people's mind and they can't let go of some of
the worries. We help them let go of some of the worries, and that
is why the treatment summary is so important because it is the
specific treatments and the doses that they got that indicate what
problems they are at increased risk for and thus, what type of
screening tests should be done, if any. There are certain
groups of patients that are going to be at risk for almost nothing,
and those would include some of the lower stage solid tumor
patients, the low risk acute lymphoblastic leukemia patients, and
then in general, the patients that receive both chemotherapy and
radiation therapy, are at the highest risk for the most
problems.
Chu
Is the development of some of these complications, secondary
effects of the treatment, dependent upon the age at which the
patient is diagnosed and treated?
Kadan-Lottick
It is and again it really depends on the specific treatment
pertaining to increased risk whether you aer older or younger. For
example, females that are treated at older ages like post pubertal
ages, are at increased risk for infertility, but younger ages of a
chemotherapy called Adriamycin, puts you at greater risk of heart
failure that you do not experience if you are older. Also,
being younger puts you at increased risk of learning problems with
chemotherapy and radiation. It depends on the treatment
exposure and again, that can be just as telling as to what you are
at risk as well as reassuring for what you are not at risk for.
Chu
Are there any effective strategies to try to prevent some of these,
what sound like pretty serious complications, from ever
occurring?
Kadan-Lottick
There are, and it's interesting. It goes back to what the
definition of a survivor is. We are learning that some of the
things that can prevent problems need to be done during
therapy. For example, Vincristine causes neuropathy or
weakness in the nerves that in turn cause weakness in the muscles
and we have learned that if we have patients do certain exercises
with the physical therapist during therapy, they are less likely to
have weakness later on. Some of the things are simple, like
sperm banking for post pubertal boys before chemotherapy, which
will then be an insurance policy against infertility later. We are
doing research with chemoprotectants, drugs that can be given at
the same time that can help protect the heart against heart failure
problems and the mind against learning problems, and those are
still in research.
Chu
Now, if you were to identify any of these downstream consequences
of therapy, would you be seeing these patients in your HEROS
clinic, or would the care really be transferred to the primary care
internist, the pediatrician, or the adult internist for individuals
older than say 20 years of age?
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Kadan-Lottick
We see these patients yearly and we see ourselves as in the role
of coordinator of care and keeper of all the information so that
all the elements of care are addressed. We will make all the
appropriate referrals and I give a comprehensive letter to all the
doctors. I really encourage patients to give me all
the possible individuals in care with the patient and I also pick
up the phone and we have an ongoing discussion. I believe
strongly that we need a wellness model, and what is the best
wellness model but an individual being cared for by their primary
care physician? Primary care physicians I think are the ones
best suited for the long run and really need to know all the
information. I also think it is a better model because I do
not think we need to give the message to patients that they are
sick and need to come to a cancer center more frequently, that
gives the wrong message and I do not think they need to hear that
message.
Chu
One of the interesting aspects of your HEROS clinic is that you
have partnered with a survivorship group called the Connecticut
Challenge, can you tell our listeners out there what the
Connecticut Challenge is, who was it founded by and how did you
develop this relationship?
Kadan-Lottick
The Connecticut Challenge is a foundation in Connecticut
specifically to promote survivorship in Connecticut and was founded
by Jeff Keith who is a childhood cancer survivor of osteosarcoma
who ran all the way across the country. Now that he is more
successful and older he wants to do all he can to promote wellness
and survivorship for other survivor so Jeff founded the Connecticut
Challenge along with his friends, including John Ragland, and they
have been a major supporter of the HEROS clinic and have been able
to provide extras like having a neuropsychologist in clinic and
being able to do some of our pilot research studies to see how we
can help future survivors. In fact, they are having their
annual fundraiser on July 24 in Fairfield and their website is
ctchallenge.org for anyone who wants to ride in the bike event or
volunteer. It is a really fun day and I particularly find it
a very optimistic day because survivors and loved ones as well as
just a lot of people in the community come together to support them
for a great cause.
Chu
I have to say, having been at this event, it is a very special
event and is moving and very inspiring, it really is a tremendous
cause. I would, as Nina said, strongly encourage anyone
listening, and it is not really a bike race, it is a bike event and
I think the whole idea is just to get involved, to come out and be
with us on that day.
Kadan-Lottick
Absolutely, in previous years I brought my husband and we had our
kids on the trainer bike, it is about trying challenges, but mostly
being together and celebrating together all that we can accomplish
for cancer survivors in Connecticut.
Chu
Absolutely, it really is a terrific cause. Nina, can you tell
us a little bit about the research that your own group is doing at
the HEROS clinic and at Yale Cancer Center?
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Kadan-Lottick
Most recently I have been very interested in knowing what elements
of leukemia therapy most influence late effects including learning
problems and I just published a couple studies that showed that the
form of steroid dexamethasone, or prednisone, does not influence
the type of learning problems, and this has translated back into
the frontline leukemia trial. I am very excited to say, I am
also a member of the National Leukemia Community that decides the
leukemia trials, that this is going to be the first time that the
randomized study is going to see if we can preserve cure rates and
dial-down therapy.
Chu
Very interesting.
Kadan-Lottick
It is very exciting. Some other things we are doing are
looking at inherited factors that influence how you react to
chemotherapy, so we can predict who is going to have more trouble
with chemotherapy agents, and that is an ongoing study and we are
hoping to have some answers soon, that can translate to how we
treat patient's upfront and identifying who may need more tailored
therapy with less or more chemotherapy so that we can mitigate the
late side effects that patients have.
Chu
In the few seconds we have left, for our listeners out there who
want to learn more about the HEROS clinic and about pediatric
cancer survivorship, can you give us a website and a phone
number?
Kadan-Lottick
Absolutely, if any one would like to be seen as a childhood cancer
survivor, please call (203) 785-4640 and also you can see us on the
Yale Cancer Center website. There is a link to the HEROS
clinic and you can learn more.
Chu
Nina, it has been great as always to have you on the show. I
think it does really provide us a nice overview of pediatric cancer
survivorship and we look forward to having you back on a future
show.
Kadan-Lottick
Thank you so much.
Chu
Until next week, this is Dr. Ed Chu from Yale Cancer Center wishing
you a safe and healthy week.
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