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Smilow Cancer Hospital Town Hall | April 24, 2024

April 25, 2024

New Clinical Announcements, Awards and Accolades, Advances in Facial Nerve Reconstruction, Q & A and Discussion

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  • 00:00Well, good evening, everyone.
  • 00:02Happy to have our community
  • 00:05gathered for Town Hall.
  • 00:09I'm privileged to have doctor Suresh
  • 00:12Mohan with us as our special guest
  • 00:15this evening from the section of Head
  • 00:18and Neck Oncology in the division of
  • 00:20Otolaryngology in the Department of Surgery.
  • 00:25Terry, can you go ahead
  • 00:26and put the agenda up?
  • 00:32So I am flying solo today as your
  • 00:36moderator, Tracy Carafino is on PTO.
  • 00:40So you'll get me and our guest.
  • 00:44I'm going to start with a number of awards
  • 00:47and accolades and some clinical updates.
  • 00:53You know, I I did want to take this
  • 00:56opportunity in this presentation
  • 00:59to remind our community that
  • 01:02for many of our cancer patients,
  • 01:05we as oncologists and cancer care clinicians
  • 01:09serve as their primary care clinicians.
  • 01:13And as such, it's really important that
  • 01:16we both are aware of of shifting and
  • 01:22evolving vaccination recommendations
  • 01:25and we advance those recommendations
  • 01:28and help our patients stay up to date.
  • 01:31So I'm not going to read this
  • 01:33table in its entirety.
  • 01:34You can see that the complete
  • 01:37guidelines are available and you
  • 01:42can scan the QR code for those.
  • 01:44They're also available through
  • 01:46our website or pharmacy.
  • 01:48But there are a number of key
  • 01:54vaccinations that it's really
  • 01:56important that our community stays
  • 02:00current with COVID-19 has obviously
  • 02:02got not gone away and there will
  • 02:05be ongoing vaccinations for that
  • 02:06as well as a variety of other
  • 02:09viral and bacterial illnesses.
  • 02:11So please stay abreast of the guidelines,
  • 02:16next slide please.
  • 02:19So it's really I think one of the things
  • 02:23that is important and that I enjoy most is,
  • 02:27is taking a few moments to recognize all
  • 02:31of the great work that goes on through
  • 02:34the Cancer Center and in Smilo and the
  • 02:38remarkable group of people that do this work.
  • 02:41And we did have the Yale Cancer
  • 02:46Center Conclave, which is a annual
  • 02:48gathering in which we reflect on our
  • 02:51achievements across our missions,
  • 02:54including clinical work,
  • 02:55education as well as research both in
  • 02:59the clinical and translational realms.
  • 03:02And we recognize individuals who have
  • 03:06made really major contributions in,
  • 03:08in all of these areas.
  • 03:11So I just want to take a few minutes
  • 03:13to share some of these awardees with
  • 03:16our community so that they are broadly
  • 03:19recognized and our our teams that were not
  • 03:21able to be at this event can be aware.
  • 03:25So Terry,
  • 03:26just flip back one one for me.
  • 03:32Thank you. So great to recognize a
  • 03:35lifetime of achievement by Doctor Ed
  • 03:38Snyder who really was the pillar of
  • 03:41our blood banking services for many,
  • 03:44many years and definitely a role
  • 03:47that is vitally important to the
  • 03:49care of all of our patients.
  • 03:51But Ed worked quietly behind the scenes
  • 03:54to care for so many complex patients
  • 03:56with ALL in collaboration with all
  • 03:58of our teams and we wanted to provide
  • 04:01a a special recognition for him.
  • 04:03It was a real pleasure for me to see the
  • 04:07recognition of two of my surgical partners,
  • 04:10Doctor Jim Cloon and Doctor Kelly
  • 04:13Olino here with Doctor Harriet
  • 04:16Kluger for their work in leading
  • 04:19the Melanoma clinical program.
  • 04:21Doctor Cloon is a plastic surgeon.
  • 04:24Doctor Olino is a surgical oncologist.
  • 04:27And together they have created a unique
  • 04:31collaborative care model for patients
  • 04:34with Melanoma that often require the
  • 04:37interdependent skills of plastic
  • 04:39surgeons and surgical oncologists.
  • 04:42And they have a service that it's recognized
  • 04:45across the country for innovation,
  • 04:48clinical research and outstanding surgical
  • 04:50care of this complicated group of patients.
  • 04:53So really well done,
  • 04:55Kelly and Jim next.
  • 04:59So as our audience knows,
  • 05:03our advanced practice providers
  • 05:06are in many ways the backbone of
  • 05:09our clinical care both in the
  • 05:11ambulatory and the inpatient arena.
  • 05:13So annually the Ruth Mccorkle Oncology
  • 05:16APP Award is given out and the winner
  • 05:20this year was Ganesha Abraham and
  • 05:22you see Ganesha with Tracy and Vana.
  • 05:25So congratulations Ganesha
  • 05:28efforts in diversity,
  • 05:30equity and inclusion are central to our
  • 05:33mission in the Cancer Center and in Smilo.
  • 05:36And it was really a great joy to
  • 05:38see Doctor Paris Butler recognized
  • 05:40for his Seminole contributions in
  • 05:42this area over the past year or two.
  • 05:45Doctor Butler is a plastic surgeon
  • 05:48in the Department of Surgery and
  • 05:50is a national expert in brass
  • 05:53reconstruction as well as advancing
  • 05:55cancer care and cancer reconstruction
  • 05:59for a diverse group with of women.
  • 06:03Next slide please.
  • 06:06So mentorship and faculty and
  • 06:09staff development is another
  • 06:11one of our guiding principles.
  • 06:14This year we were really pleased
  • 06:16to recognize Doctor Miriam Lesberg,
  • 06:19Chief of the breast service for her
  • 06:22outstanding contributions in mentorship.
  • 06:24One of the things that is unique about
  • 06:26Miriam is her broad mentorship platform.
  • 06:29She not only supports the development
  • 06:32of physicians and scientists,
  • 06:35but nurses and advanced practice providers
  • 06:38and a variety of other colleagues.
  • 06:42Education is of also of course,
  • 06:44central to all of our work.
  • 06:46Doctor Mike Hurwitz, Gu medical oncologist,
  • 06:50was recognized with the Yale Cancer
  • 06:54Center Award for Teaching Excellence.
  • 06:56Mike teaches at all levels from Med students,
  • 06:59residents to fellows,
  • 07:01and is recognized not only for
  • 07:05his encyclopedic knowledge,
  • 07:07but his unique teaching enthusiasm
  • 07:10and skills.
  • 07:11Next, please.
  • 07:14So Doctor Weiner bestows several very
  • 07:19specific directors awards related to
  • 07:22outstanding service and contributions.
  • 07:24The the individuals who received
  • 07:27that award this year were Yang Zhao
  • 07:31who serves as the Chief of Staff in
  • 07:34the Director's office and does a
  • 07:36host of things and was instrumental
  • 07:37in the preparation of our Cancer
  • 07:40Center support grant as well as Adam
  • 07:43Roschka and then the entire CTO team
  • 07:46which included which includes Dr.
  • 07:48Ian Crop, Alyssa Gateman as well as Adam.
  • 07:52Also in that picture service is
  • 07:55part and parcel of who we are and
  • 07:58what we do in a variety of ways.
  • 08:00Crystal Esposito in the Director's office
  • 08:04won the Service Excellence Award this
  • 08:06year for her many many contributions
  • 08:09organizing and developing a a variety
  • 08:12of services in the Cancer Center.
  • 08:15Next
  • 08:19so science in the clinical,
  • 08:25translational and basic science
  • 08:27arena is foundational to our
  • 08:30work advancing the field.
  • 08:32Dr. Katarina Puliti won the
  • 08:35Translational Research award.
  • 08:38There was there's a special class of
  • 08:4061 research award that was won by
  • 08:42Nadia Dimitriova and Sarah Goldberg.
  • 08:46Dr. Pam Kunz won the Clinical
  • 08:49Science Research award for her
  • 08:51work in Neuroniquin tumors.
  • 08:52Alana Richmond Dr.
  • 08:54Alana Richmond won the Population
  • 08:56Science Research Award and
  • 08:58Doctor Jason Schultzer,
  • 08:59who is in the Department of Surgery,
  • 09:02won the Basic Science Research Award next.
  • 09:07So not only do we have outstanding
  • 09:10people doing outstanding things,
  • 09:12we have other programmatic
  • 09:14achievements that we should all
  • 09:17be aware of and be celebrating.
  • 09:20All of our hospitals undergo an
  • 09:22accreditation survey by the American
  • 09:25College of Surgeons Commission on
  • 09:27Cancer and I'm pleased to share
  • 09:30that the Bridgeport Hospital team
  • 09:32was just re accredited by the COC.
  • 09:35It is hard to overstate the amount
  • 09:37of work and preparation that goes
  • 09:40into getting ready for these surveys.
  • 09:43There are a lot of elements of the
  • 09:45program that come under examination,
  • 09:47including record keeping,
  • 09:50survivorship programs,
  • 09:51nutrition, physical therapy,
  • 09:53compliance with College of American
  • 09:57Pathologists, synoptic reporting.
  • 10:00So the the group at Bridgeport
  • 10:03did incredible work.
  • 10:05Special thanks to Jean Brown for her
  • 10:07leadership during the survey preparation.
  • 10:10And of note,
  • 10:11the surveyor did note particularly
  • 10:13outstanding performance in
  • 10:15several different areas,
  • 10:16including quality, cancer,
  • 10:18cancer registry,
  • 10:19and survivorship.
  • 10:22Next
  • 10:24so Tracy, Renee, Eric Weiner, Lori Pickens,
  • 10:30and myself all are committed to making
  • 10:33this town hall a productive and informative
  • 10:36and engaging forum for our community.
  • 10:40We would like to get feedback from
  • 10:43all of you about how we can best
  • 10:47tailor the content and the time,
  • 10:49the timing of this event.
  • 10:51We know many people are able to access
  • 10:53it later through the recorded version,
  • 10:55but as much as possible,
  • 10:57we'd like to make it an interactive event.
  • 11:00So I would ask you please,
  • 11:01please look for the survey of
  • 11:06course is use the key QR code.
  • 11:08Renee Gaudette has sent out emails.
  • 11:12We will send out another round of
  • 11:14emails looking for participation.
  • 11:16But we would love your feedback.
  • 11:18Please help us improve,
  • 11:20suggest future topics and I promise you
  • 11:24I know survey fatigue is a real thing,
  • 11:27but this will take just a few minutes.
  • 11:30Next slide please.
  • 11:33So it's really a pleasure for
  • 11:35me to introduce our speaker.
  • 11:38And before I do that,
  • 11:42I just want to tip my hat to Doctor
  • 11:46Sarah Mara and Doctor Ben Judson
  • 11:49for really developing a truly world
  • 11:53class division of otolaryngology and
  • 11:55section of head and neck surgery.
  • 11:59You know head neck cancer is a
  • 12:01uniquely challenging area that
  • 12:03requires not only extraordinarily
  • 12:06extraordinary technical surgical skill,
  • 12:08but unique multidisciplinary
  • 12:11collaboration across head neck surgery,
  • 12:14medical oncology,
  • 12:15radiation oncology as well as supportive
  • 12:18services such as speech and swallow
  • 12:22audiology, voice rehabilitation,
  • 12:25physical therapy and nutritional support.
  • 12:30So this team has really done amazing
  • 12:34work and they are extending their reach
  • 12:37across our entire cancer care enterprise.
  • 12:40You know over the past couple
  • 12:42of years there have been,
  • 12:43there's been substantial growth
  • 12:45in in this division.
  • 12:48So you can see Doctor Ansley Roche
  • 12:52came on about 3 1/2 years ago.
  • 12:55Doctor Zafar Syed has joined
  • 12:57in the past year.
  • 12:59Avanti Verma who also spends time at
  • 13:02the VA has been here about three years.
  • 13:05We're just incredibly thrilled to re
  • 13:09announce or remind the community of the
  • 13:12riot of arrival of Doctor Sarah Pye
  • 13:15who's a surgeon scientist who joined
  • 13:17the faculty within the past year.
  • 13:20And then our speaker today,
  • 13:21Doctor Suresh Mohan who's a head
  • 13:26and neck surgeon with expertise
  • 13:28and facial nerve reconstruction
  • 13:30who has just come on board.
  • 13:33Doctor Mohan is going to be
  • 13:35sharing with us his experience
  • 13:37with facial nerve reconstruction.
  • 13:39And you will begin to appreciate,
  • 13:42as I have,
  • 13:43that part of our work in the Cancer
  • 13:45Center is not just treating disease
  • 13:47and hopefully curing disease.
  • 13:49It is doing it in a way that
  • 13:51preserves the patient's quality
  • 13:55of life as much as possible.
  • 13:57And that is the work for all
  • 14:00of us across the disciplines to
  • 14:02not only treat and cure,
  • 14:05but care and preserve,
  • 14:06maintain the very best quality
  • 14:08of life for our patients.
  • 14:10And I think what you'll see is facial
  • 14:12nerve reconstruction for head and neck
  • 14:15cancer patients is a really exciting
  • 14:18and prominent part of that goal.
  • 14:21So without any further commentary,
  • 14:22I'll kick it over to Doctor Milan.
  • 14:24Thank you, Suresh.
  • 14:26Thank you so much, Kevin.
  • 14:28I am so excited to be here and can't
  • 14:31thank you enough for the opportunity.
  • 14:33Is everyone able to see my slides there?
  • 14:37All right, perfect. All right.
  • 14:38So like we heard from Doctor Billingsley,
  • 14:42I just joined the head and neck cancers
  • 14:44program here in the division of Auto
  • 14:46Learning College in the past year.
  • 14:48And my clinical interest is focused
  • 14:51on facial paralysis or facial palsy.
  • 14:55You'll hear hear me use
  • 14:56the terms interchangeably.
  • 14:57But I hope over the next few minutes to
  • 15:03leave you with these three takeaways.
  • 15:05And so I'll.
  • 15:06I'll start with that 1st is that
  • 15:08we typically hear a facial palsy
  • 15:09as something that affects people's
  • 15:11appearance and it it affects the way
  • 15:14they interact with their environment.
  • 15:16But truly there are several severe
  • 15:19functional issues that that we
  • 15:21seek to treat with what we do.
  • 15:23And then also the psychological
  • 15:25challenges that these patients go
  • 15:27through I think are under appreciated.
  • 15:29And so I hope to kind of illuminate some
  • 15:31of of that as well in the next few minutes.
  • 15:34Second take away is that
  • 15:36sometimes I've heard patients say,
  • 15:38you know my doctor said there
  • 15:39was nothing to do,
  • 15:40that there were no options for me.
  • 15:41And I I hope to debunk that myth
  • 15:43today and and convince you that pretty
  • 15:45much every patient that has facial
  • 15:47palsy given the plethora of options
  • 15:49that we we have available to us now
  • 15:52has something that we could do to
  • 15:54improve their function or their form.
  • 15:56And finally I hope to explain to
  • 15:59you how facial reanimation surgery
  • 16:01can re establish really functional
  • 16:03parts of the face such as smile
  • 16:05and blink the symmetry of the nose
  • 16:07and the mouth and and on top of
  • 16:09everything re establish a sense of
  • 16:11self-confidence for the for the
  • 16:13patients that suffer this condition.
  • 16:17So I'd like to begin with the story
  • 16:19this this is my patient Carol who
  • 16:21kindly agreed to let me tell her story.
  • 16:24But Carol was was living the prime of
  • 16:27her life last year and and with a very
  • 16:31vibrant family with her husband and
  • 16:34grandkids and everything was going well.
  • 16:36She had a facelift 2 years ago to
  • 16:38make herself feel like the best
  • 16:40version of herself.
  • 16:41Life was going well until unfortunately
  • 16:43she developed a terrible severe DLBCL
  • 16:46of the of the head and neck and over
  • 16:50the following six months with treatment
  • 16:53not only did she lose severe amounts
  • 16:56of of weight and it became cokectic,
  • 17:00but she also developed involvement
  • 17:02of the facial nerve.
  • 17:04And what you see here is is how
  • 17:07she presented when she when she
  • 17:09came to my office.
  • 17:10And so I want to,
  • 17:11I want to want to leave this story
  • 17:14in your mind as we kind of go through
  • 17:17the options that we have today and
  • 17:19and the opportunity that we have
  • 17:21to to to help patients like Carol.
  • 17:25So as we remember the facial nerve
  • 17:27is involved of course in facial
  • 17:29expression in in allowing us to
  • 17:31communicate and express ourselves,
  • 17:33but also turns out plays a critical role
  • 17:35in corneal and hair cell protection.
  • 17:38There's a muscle in the middle ear that's
  • 17:41even innervated by the facial nerve.
  • 17:43And of course the upper eyelid protects
  • 17:46the cornea respiration through our nose,
  • 17:50mastication with as we move our
  • 17:52mouth and articulation as we speak.
  • 17:55And when we have injury to the facial nerve,
  • 17:58then we have not only appearance and
  • 18:03aesthetic losses but also functional
  • 18:05commutative and challenges with interacting.
  • 18:08I have many patients that come
  • 18:09in and tell me Doc, you know,
  • 18:11I just stopped going out to eat.
  • 18:12I can't.
  • 18:13I can't sit there and have people
  • 18:15see food fall out of my mouth and
  • 18:17so it it affects their their social
  • 18:19life and this leads to to worsening
  • 18:21psychological stress as well.
  • 18:26So to take a step back and just remind
  • 18:28ourselves that the anatomy of course the
  • 18:30facial nerve originates in the ponds
  • 18:32where the facial nucleus is located and
  • 18:35it travels through the facial canal in
  • 18:37the temporal bone around the cochlea,
  • 18:39exits the skull base at the stylo
  • 18:42massive frame and just below the ear.
  • 18:44And then as it enters the face,
  • 18:45it spreads into several branches,
  • 18:49most classically shown here, the frontal,
  • 18:51the zygomatic towards the eye,
  • 18:53the buckle towards the mouth,
  • 18:54the marginal towards the lower lip,
  • 18:55and the cervical into the neck,
  • 18:59as shown here in this diagram.
  • 19:04So what causes facial palsy?
  • 19:05How do people get this condition?
  • 19:07So the one that we probably all
  • 19:09heard the most about, of course,
  • 19:10is Bell's palsy or idiopathic facial palsy.
  • 19:12So it turns out Bell's palsy is
  • 19:14actually a diagnosis of exclusion.
  • 19:16We have some theories about how it happens,
  • 19:19but it is still not very well elucidated.
  • 19:22For the purposes of this talk I'm
  • 19:24going to focus of course on benign
  • 19:27or malignant tumors and how this can
  • 19:29lead to to facial palsy for patients.
  • 19:31But it is important to understand
  • 19:34that several causes can result in
  • 19:36the same condition and and we see
  • 19:39all these routinely at our center.
  • 19:42So how does facial palsy progress?
  • 19:46So the face is in its usual condition
  • 19:48and there's an insult to the facial
  • 19:51nerve which leads to complete
  • 19:52complete facility of the face,
  • 19:54so that the face goes completely
  • 19:57weak If the insult was permanent
  • 19:58or if there's an ongoing insult,
  • 20:00for example a cancer or a a
  • 20:03tumor compressing the nerve,
  • 20:05then the face stays flaccid in in a
  • 20:08chronic state and does not recover.
  • 20:10Now if the insult for, for example,
  • 20:13was inflammation,
  • 20:14like we think happens in Bell's Palsy,
  • 20:16then the nerve can actually
  • 20:18regenerate back to normal.
  • 20:20But sometimes in a subset of people,
  • 20:22approximately 30% of patients,
  • 20:23they can develop aberrant regeneration
  • 20:26or misguided regeneration that results
  • 20:28in something we call synkinesis or
  • 20:30involuntary movement when you try
  • 20:32to move another muscle. Now what?
  • 20:35How does that manifest in the face?
  • 20:37So on the left side we have a
  • 20:39patient with flaccid facial palsy,
  • 20:41and on the right we have a patient
  • 20:43with synkinetic facial palsy.
  • 20:44Now again,
  • 20:45synchronesis is when you have
  • 20:47involuntary facial movement
  • 20:48accompanying voluntary movement.
  • 20:50So for example, for the patient on the right,
  • 20:53she's trying to smile,
  • 20:54but her eye is closing.
  • 20:55Why?
  • 20:56Because when her facial nerve regenerated,
  • 20:58some of the axons that were supposed to go
  • 21:00to the mouth accidentally went to the eye,
  • 21:01and vice versa.
  • 21:02And so when she tries to close her eye,
  • 21:05her mouth moves as well.
  • 21:07And so this miswiring of the
  • 21:09axons is what results in such a
  • 21:13severe hyperkinetic state for the
  • 21:15patients that develop synkinesis.
  • 21:18And usually synkinesis starts about
  • 21:20four months after the insult.
  • 21:22So it's important conceptually
  • 21:24to remember that we are treating
  • 21:26both the flaccid facial plasty
  • 21:27patients and we're treating the
  • 21:29same kinetic facial plasty patients
  • 21:30and they have very different
  • 21:32paradigms of how we approach them.
  • 21:36So this is a busy slide,
  • 21:38but I put it in to kind of
  • 21:41demonstrate how we think about
  • 21:43addressing each aspect of the face.
  • 21:45So for the flaccid patient
  • 21:47on the disease side,
  • 21:48we have several different
  • 21:50procedures for each aspect of the
  • 21:52face and we even have procedures
  • 21:54we can do on the contralarial
  • 21:56side of the face for symmetry.
  • 21:58And similarly and we'll go into,
  • 22:01I've selected a few of these to
  • 22:03go into detail into shortly.
  • 22:06When we look on at what we can
  • 22:08do for the syn kinetic face,
  • 22:10similarly there are several different
  • 22:15procedures that we can do to improve
  • 22:17the symmetry and the function and
  • 22:20the hypertonicity of the face.
  • 22:22And again we'll go into
  • 22:24detail into this here.
  • 22:26So the first step just like with
  • 22:30rehabilitation of the limbs
  • 22:31after injury or after surgery,
  • 22:33the face is very similar.
  • 22:35Turns out facial rehabilitation
  • 22:37and neuromuscular retraining of
  • 22:40the face is is critical in any
  • 22:43nerve transfer procedures or nerve
  • 22:45surgery in general that we do
  • 22:46for patients with facial palsy.
  • 22:48And so I'm just going to play a
  • 22:50short video clip to to kind of
  • 22:52demonstrate how this actually works
  • 22:54and that and the way that the,
  • 22:56this is a very specialized
  • 22:59rehabilitation technique.
  • 23:00And so we actually are fortunate
  • 23:03to to be able to build that in
  • 23:06conjunction with our physical therapy
  • 23:07colleagues here at Yale, New Haven.
  • 23:10So and we're going to try and
  • 23:13balance your smile out by relaxing
  • 23:15the tension in your eye and in your
  • 23:18cheek and in your neck muscles.
  • 23:20So form a small smile and at the
  • 23:24same time you smile you're going to
  • 23:27relax the tension around your eye
  • 23:30and into your cheek focusing on the
  • 23:33cheek muscles forming the smile motion.
  • 23:36I think of it like your cheek
  • 23:38balls trying to form.
  • 23:39There you go that motion.
  • 23:42Excellent.
  • 23:43So we see here that it there's a
  • 23:46lot of very nuanced attention to
  • 23:49detail because these are fine,
  • 23:52fine muscles of the face and
  • 23:54trying to work with patients to
  • 23:56to understand and control those
  • 23:58movements takes a lot of time and
  • 24:02patience and a dedicated effort.
  • 24:04And so we're lucky to have a
  • 24:06team directly focused on that.
  • 24:10So the next level of treatment is
  • 24:13actually with botulinum toxin injection.
  • 24:15Of course we've we've heard of
  • 24:17Botox for other cosmetic purposes
  • 24:21as well As for hypertonicity in
  • 24:24other parts of the body and even
  • 24:27for central pathology.
  • 24:28But in this case,
  • 24:29it works extremely well for
  • 24:32patients that have some kinesis
  • 24:34after a facial nerve insult.
  • 24:35So here on the left side is
  • 24:37the patient before treatment.
  • 24:39You can see she's developed
  • 24:41some narrowing of the eye.
  • 24:42And what's happening here is
  • 24:44that the muscle around the eye
  • 24:45is is the orbicularis oculi and
  • 24:47it's a circular muscle so when it
  • 24:48tightens it actually narrows the
  • 24:50the aperture of the eye and and
  • 24:53similarly in the chin or in the neck.
  • 24:56You can see the tightness of
  • 24:58the hypertonicity as these
  • 25:00muscles all contract after some
  • 25:02botulinum toxin injection,
  • 25:04loosening and weakening of the
  • 25:06muscle along with physical therapy of
  • 25:08course you see a much more balanced
  • 25:11appearance and less tension to the face.
  • 25:13Now of course the downside of this
  • 25:15is that the botulinum is a temporary
  • 25:18treatment and so many times these there
  • 25:21are patients that are stuck having to
  • 25:23do this several times a year as the
  • 25:26hypertonicity is is very persistent
  • 25:30and comes back as the Botox wears off.
  • 25:34This is another patient with a subtle
  • 25:36results who had a chronic synchronesis
  • 25:38of the left side and so we treated
  • 25:41her with contralateral Botox because
  • 25:43you can see the lip is pulling down
  • 25:45here because of normal lip function,
  • 25:47but on the weak side the lip is
  • 25:49not pulling down.
  • 25:50So if you weaken the healthy side,
  • 25:52you can actually achieve a little
  • 25:55bit better symmetry to the smile.
  • 25:58And so the the botchline toxin
  • 26:00offers an opportunity to intervene
  • 26:02on both sides of the face.
  • 26:07So probably the most important
  • 26:10aspect of facial palsy care.
  • 26:11As soon as the patient is diagnosed
  • 26:13is taking care of the eye.
  • 26:15As soon as the upper eyelid is unable
  • 26:17to close and protect the cornea,
  • 26:19the eye becomes at risk
  • 26:22for exposure keratopathy,
  • 26:23worsening paralytic glycophthalmos
  • 26:25and so protecting the eye.
  • 26:27It becomes the first priority.
  • 26:30And how do we do that?
  • 26:31So we start from it depends a
  • 26:33lot on the patient's age and the
  • 26:35laxity of the skin and the severity
  • 26:38of the injury to the nerve.
  • 26:40And so from a conservative to
  • 26:42a more aggressive approach,
  • 26:43we begin with physical therapy techniques
  • 26:46such as stretching the eyelid,
  • 26:47using an eye patch for community
  • 26:49control to to maintain whatever
  • 26:51community is possible and avoid
  • 26:53drying out of the corneal epithelium.
  • 26:58Another step up from that is
  • 27:00called putting in a lid weight,
  • 27:02which I'll show you shortly,
  • 27:03where we can weigh down the
  • 27:05upper lid to help close the eye,
  • 27:07or we can tighten the lower lid
  • 27:10with various strips or slings.
  • 27:12And then we also have the opportunity
  • 27:15to dynamically reanimate the upper
  • 27:17lid and actually bring a nerve
  • 27:19input into the muscle to help
  • 27:21the eyelid start moving again.
  • 27:23So let's look into that in more detail.
  • 27:25So this is a platinum weight
  • 27:27and the reason we use platinum,
  • 27:30we used to use gold.
  • 27:31I mean it's still used,
  • 27:33but platinum offers a higher
  • 27:35density and therefore it can be
  • 27:37a thinner profile implant with
  • 27:39less risk of extrusion in in the
  • 27:42eyelid because the skin is so thin.
  • 27:44So the way it's placed is it's first
  • 27:47sized appropriately in terms of
  • 27:50its weight for the the amount of
  • 27:52depression of the upper lid that we need.
  • 27:55And then a incision is made through
  • 27:58the skin and muscle through the
  • 28:00anterior lamella down to the tarsus
  • 28:03or this is a little piece of basically
  • 28:05cartilage that's in the upper eyelid.
  • 28:07And so the weight goes
  • 28:09just in a pretarsal plane.
  • 28:10So there's the weight going in.
  • 28:12It gets tacked down with some
  • 28:15sutures and then and then the
  • 28:18eyelid is now heavier and so the
  • 28:20patient has an easier time closing
  • 28:23the eye and protecting the cornea.
  • 28:26Now what?
  • 28:26What can we do for the lower eyelid?
  • 28:28So this is called a lateral tarsal strip.
  • 28:30And what it is,
  • 28:32is when the lower lid loses its tone,
  • 28:35it becomes LAX and the patient
  • 28:36can develop a tropion or E
  • 28:38version of the lower eyelid.
  • 28:40And so way to treat that is by
  • 28:42tightening the lower eyelid.
  • 28:43And so here we make an incision on
  • 28:46the outside of the eyelid and then
  • 28:47we dissect down and do a canthotomy,
  • 28:50cantholysis basically releasing
  • 28:51the lower eyelid away.
  • 28:53And then we shorten the lower tarsus
  • 28:57here by trimming off the epithelium
  • 29:00and then we bring it out laterally
  • 29:03and secure it to the the orbital rim.
  • 29:06And then by tightening the lower eyelid,
  • 29:09this helps the eye close as well.
  • 29:12There's also other techniques.
  • 29:13So this is a a relatively recent technique
  • 29:16described by one of my mentors in Boston
  • 29:19where even though these two techniques
  • 29:21that I just described, we use them.
  • 29:22This is kind of the cutting edge in
  • 29:25terms of when you can't correct the
  • 29:27entire lid just by doing a lateral
  • 29:29torsional strip or a lid weight.
  • 29:31By putting a piece of fascia spanning
  • 29:33across the entire lower eyelid,
  • 29:35you can actually suspend the medial portion
  • 29:37of the lid as well as the outer part.
  • 29:39And so here you see we've borrowed
  • 29:41a piece of fascia from the leg and
  • 29:44then we're tunneling it through
  • 29:46the lower eyelid across here.
  • 29:47And then it acts as a belt to basically
  • 29:51lift that or lower eyelid up and help
  • 29:54the patient achieve better closure.
  • 29:56You can see here there's a a narrower
  • 29:58opening than when we started.
  • 30:02So how about dynamic linker animation?
  • 30:04What if I want to just be
  • 30:06able to move my eyelid again?
  • 30:08So turns out we have the
  • 30:10ability to do that now too.
  • 30:11So these are our photos from a colleague
  • 30:14in Brazil who's it was actually the
  • 30:16been popularizing this technique.
  • 30:18So by bringing in a So this is a nerve
  • 30:22graft that we've harvested from the
  • 30:24leg and we connected to a from the
  • 30:26healthy side to an eye branch that
  • 30:29controls eyelid function on the good side.
  • 30:31And then you tunnel that nerve
  • 30:33branch over into the weak eyelid
  • 30:36and then you come back several
  • 30:38months later and put a little piece
  • 30:40of muscle into the upper eyelid.
  • 30:42And what happens is that direct
  • 30:44neurotization or basically when
  • 30:46axons grow into the muscle,
  • 30:49then you have control to
  • 30:52actually blink once again.
  • 30:53And so it's a remarkable result and
  • 30:56can be life changing for patients to go
  • 30:58from never being able to move that eye
  • 31:00to suddenly being able to blink again.
  • 31:04So another technique as
  • 31:05we move down the face.
  • 31:07So we've talked about the eye,
  • 31:08what about the mid face?
  • 31:09And so this is a patient of
  • 31:13mine from a few weeks ago.
  • 31:14So this patient unfortunately had
  • 31:17a terribly recurrent squamous cell
  • 31:20carcinoma invading his parotid gland.
  • 31:22And so it it already caused damage.
  • 31:24This is him preoperatively and you can see
  • 31:27that he's already had significant bratosis.
  • 31:29He he has inferior scleral show of the eye.
  • 31:32He's got increased watery eye.
  • 31:35He's got a lot of mid face
  • 31:37descent he can't smile.
  • 31:38All of these things are direct
  • 31:40sequela of the facial nerve injury
  • 31:43and so he had a radical resection
  • 31:45with a a free flap and at the same
  • 31:47time along with dynamic techniques
  • 31:49to restore smile static suspensions
  • 31:51or slings are a big part of of
  • 31:54re establishing facial symmetry.
  • 31:56And so here we take fascia from the
  • 31:59leg which basically acts as a non
  • 32:03extensible stretch band and so you
  • 32:07bring you bring the fascia into the
  • 32:09face and here you see there's a band
  • 32:11going to the corner of the lip into
  • 32:13the nasal labial fold and here into
  • 32:15the corner of the of the nose and we
  • 32:18secure all that back to the the fascia.
  • 32:23And so afterwards you see that
  • 32:26he's has a better improved.
  • 32:29Of course it's not perfect,
  • 32:30but it certainly helps with the
  • 32:33overall appearance and function.
  • 32:35So it helps with drooling that commonly
  • 32:38occurs here when you have this flaccid
  • 32:41area of the corner of the mouth.
  • 32:43And it could also help here when you
  • 32:45look at the position of the nostril.
  • 32:47So here,
  • 32:48turns out when you lose your facial nerve,
  • 32:51you actually stop being able to breathe
  • 32:53through the nostril on that side.
  • 32:54And so putting a band to the nostril
  • 32:56actually brings that nostril and
  • 32:57opens it so you can have air flow.
  • 33:02So what about other techniques?
  • 33:04How do we make smiles move? Again?
  • 33:07The static suspension is a is
  • 33:09a non dynamic approach but the
  • 33:12mesoteric nerves are transfer.
  • 33:13So when the facial nerves are not working,
  • 33:16another way to keep those muscles
  • 33:17of the face alive are to bring in
  • 33:20donor nerves from other sources.
  • 33:21So what if we took the mesoteric
  • 33:23nerve which is a nerve that
  • 33:25controls the bite muscle.
  • 33:26So when you bike down,
  • 33:27you should be able to feel the bulge
  • 33:29of your master muscle on on both sides,
  • 33:31and so that nerve can actually be
  • 33:33transferred to connect to a facial
  • 33:35muscle instead of the bite muscle.
  • 33:37And when we do that,
  • 33:40we actually can get remarkably
  • 33:43improved smile results.
  • 33:44So here the nice thing about the mesteric
  • 33:47nerve transfer is that this surgery
  • 33:50has a greater than 90% success rate,
  • 33:53which is remarkable.
  • 33:54There's also pretty minimal donor
  • 33:56site morbidity because there's
  • 33:58redundancy of that nerve and so you
  • 34:00don't lose your ability to chew just
  • 34:01because you transferred this nerve.
  • 34:03You're still able to chew but
  • 34:04then you're also able to smile.
  • 34:06So in this patient who had
  • 34:09facial palsy and had a 5,
  • 34:11seven or a mesenteric nerve transfer,
  • 34:13you can see when she bites down she can
  • 34:16actually trigger movement of of the face.
  • 34:19And of course this is a very critical
  • 34:24the success of the separation is
  • 34:25critical on on physical therapy
  • 34:27because the patient has to learn
  • 34:29the association that if I want
  • 34:31to smile I need to bite down.
  • 34:32And for young people turns out that's
  • 34:34a pretty logical thing to learn.
  • 34:36But it is certainly harder in the
  • 34:39older population to kind of go that go
  • 34:43through that neuroplasticity and the
  • 34:44retraining in your mind to teach yourself,
  • 34:46oh, if I want to smile,
  • 34:47I need to do this unrelated
  • 34:50movement to to be able to smile.
  • 34:53The downside is of course that
  • 34:54this is not a spontaneous smile.
  • 34:57You know,
  • 34:57when you or I look at something funny,
  • 35:01our faces naturally break into a
  • 35:03smile with that, with involuntarily.
  • 35:05That's not something where you have to say,
  • 35:07OK, ready, set, go,
  • 35:07I'm going to smile now it's
  • 35:09it happens involuntarily.
  • 35:10But for the five,
  • 35:12seven transfer,
  • 35:13it's a voluntary movement so that
  • 35:15the patient has to engage it to
  • 35:17to be able to to see that smile.
  • 35:19So even though it works really well,
  • 35:21it's not spontaneous.
  • 35:24So here's an example of a young
  • 35:26girl who had an AV malformation,
  • 35:28so you can see on the right
  • 35:30side when she smiles,
  • 35:31she has complete weakness on
  • 35:32the right side of the face.
  • 35:34And once we've done A57
  • 35:36transfer and she's gone,
  • 35:37undergone physical therapy,
  • 35:41you can see here this is without
  • 35:43engaging the bite.
  • 35:44And then now she will engage the bites
  • 35:46and you can see how she has a dramatic
  • 35:49improvement in her smile there.
  • 35:51And again,
  • 35:52as with most things,
  • 35:53kids are often the the best
  • 35:55candidates for nerve transfer
  • 35:57procedures. They just do remarkably well.
  • 36:03So, OK, we talked about the masseteric nerve.
  • 36:05What other nerves do we have available to us?
  • 36:08So it turns out the hypoglossal nerve
  • 36:09or the nerve that controls the movement
  • 36:11of the tongue is also a great option.
  • 36:14And so that's what's depicted here.
  • 36:16The nerve, the facial nerve is transacted
  • 36:19because of of some sort of central
  • 36:22pathology and it can be brought down,
  • 36:24sorry, more medial pathology
  • 36:26to the the hearing organ.
  • 36:28It can be swung down here,
  • 36:30and then axons from the 12th or
  • 36:33the hypoglossal nerve can actually
  • 36:35innervate through the facial nerve.
  • 36:37So how does that turn out into practice?
  • 36:39The basically means when you move your
  • 36:41tongue you'll be able to smile or at
  • 36:44least you'll have some tone of the face
  • 36:47from from the from the tongue axons.
  • 36:49And of course if you're using
  • 36:52the tongue nerve,
  • 36:53then you worry about risks of the tongue.
  • 36:55So tongue weakness or dysarthria,
  • 36:57dysphasia,
  • 36:58these are all risks that that can occur.
  • 37:02This was a patient at our center
  • 37:04here at Yale who had a weakness of
  • 37:08the facial nerve after a parotid
  • 37:11operation at an outside hospital.
  • 37:14And she underwent a 12/7 transfer here.
  • 37:17And you can see that her face is completely
  • 37:19weak until she engages her tongue,
  • 37:21and then she's able to actually
  • 37:23get a pretty remarkable smile
  • 37:25that looks natural here.
  • 37:26So here's the video of her.
  • 37:30So there's her we just engaging one
  • 37:32side without the and then she moves
  • 37:34her tongue and you can see how you can
  • 37:36actually re establish smile there.
  • 37:41And I will say this is one of the
  • 37:42most gratifying things when you
  • 37:44have a patient come in after this
  • 37:46procedure you see him three months
  • 37:48later and they just they break out
  • 37:50into a smile for the first time.
  • 37:51And and I think it was one of the first
  • 37:54things that that made me fall into love.
  • 37:56You know fall in love with this,
  • 37:57with this field the ability to you
  • 38:00just you see the confidence come back
  • 38:02into their into their personas and it
  • 38:04makes such a difference in their lives.
  • 38:08OK so then we've talked about nerve
  • 38:10transfers, we talked about static suspension.
  • 38:12Now let's talk about probably the biggest
  • 38:14procedure that we do and this is when this
  • 38:16is a person that's had chronic facial palsy.
  • 38:18So they the native musculature in the face
  • 38:21after two years loses the ability to be
  • 38:25reinnervated by nerve transfer procedures.
  • 38:28And so in that case for the
  • 38:29face to move after that,
  • 38:31you need to bring in fresh muscle and fresh
  • 38:34nerve to be able to re establish the smile.
  • 38:37So it turns out the Gracilis muscle
  • 38:39is probably the most commonly
  • 38:41used muscle for smile reanimation.
  • 38:42And so on the left side here we're
  • 38:45seeing how we can take a piece of the
  • 38:47gracilis muscle from the thigh along
  • 38:49with the blood vessels and the nerve to
  • 38:52operator and then we transplant that into
  • 38:56the face and it's sutured to both the
  • 38:59corner of the mouth and to the temple.
  • 39:03And then the blood vessels are hooked
  • 39:05up to blood vessels in the neck.
  • 39:07And then with the nerves are hooked
  • 39:09up to one of two sources either
  • 39:12to the mesoteric nerve.
  • 39:13So when they bite down,
  • 39:14they'll be able to engage the muscle
  • 39:16and smile or they get get connected to
  • 39:19a cross faced nerve gaat which which is
  • 39:22basically using the contralateral facial
  • 39:24nerve to drive the the, the new muscle.
  • 39:27So what does that look like?
  • 39:29So here's a patient that had
  • 39:31bracillus that was controlled by
  • 39:34the mesoteric or the biting nerve.
  • 39:36And so you can see here
  • 39:38that when she bites down,
  • 39:39she gets movement here on the left
  • 39:42side that mirrors the healthy side.
  • 39:44But again, this is voluntary,
  • 39:45which is the downside.
  • 39:46But the benefit of this approach
  • 39:48is it's a single surgery.
  • 39:49You don't need a separate surgery
  • 39:51for the nerve graft and then a
  • 39:53separate surgery for the muscle
  • 39:55when we look at other options.
  • 39:57So here again is a patient
  • 39:59that had a 57 Gracillus.
  • 40:01And so you can see she preoperatively
  • 40:03has no movement on the right
  • 40:06side and then with fresh muscle
  • 40:08and biting down she's able to re
  • 40:10engage and reestablish a smile.
  • 40:12It's not perfect,
  • 40:14but you can tell that she's trying
  • 40:16to smile and and turns out we have
  • 40:18great evidence to suggest that that a
  • 40:21meaningful smile is the is the ultimate goal.
  • 40:24It is is the person you're communicating
  • 40:26with understanding that you were
  • 40:28trying to smile and so that's a big
  • 40:30outcome measure for these procedures.
  • 40:34So the other option,
  • 40:35like I mentioned,
  • 40:35is if you use the contralateral facial nerve,
  • 40:38the benefit of the contralar facial
  • 40:40nerve is that it has spontaneity.
  • 40:42So you don't have to think to smile.
  • 40:44You can just smile like you would on the
  • 40:46other side and this side will engage as well.
  • 40:48So here's a young girl.
  • 40:49You can see she's weak on the right side.
  • 40:52And so she had two surgeries,
  • 40:53the first surgery to put in a nerve graft,
  • 40:55shown here in yellow.
  • 40:57And then six months later,
  • 40:59we came back and took the muscle
  • 41:00from her leg and put it in her face.
  • 41:02And this is a spontaneous smile.
  • 41:04So we do a spontaneous smile assay where
  • 41:07we show them funny videos to trigger
  • 41:10a spontaneous smile and and they're
  • 41:12on camera while they're doing it.
  • 41:13And you can see how the benefit
  • 41:16of a spontaneous smile is just
  • 41:18it's remarkable and and life
  • 41:19changing for for these children.
  • 41:23So what is the latest in and greatest
  • 41:26in terms of these procedures?
  • 41:28So what if instead of just one
  • 41:29nerve you hook it up to two nerves.
  • 41:30So dual innovation of the Gracilis
  • 41:34is slowly becoming more and more
  • 41:37common and so that's basically when
  • 41:38you do your your nerve graft across
  • 41:40but then you also include the biting
  • 41:42nerve just to make sure as it as an
  • 41:45insurance policy to make sure that
  • 41:46you the patient will end up with some
  • 41:49movement from one of the two donors.
  • 41:52Other thing you could do is we we talked
  • 41:54about only a single vector Gracillus,
  • 41:56what if we dissect out a portion of
  • 41:58the Gracillus and we can actually
  • 42:00do multi vector smile or animation.
  • 42:01Turns out the face has multiple
  • 42:04vectors that contribute to SMILES,
  • 42:06so a single vector is pretty
  • 42:08simplistic compared to if you can
  • 42:10include multiple vectors.
  • 42:11And so that's another.
  • 42:13So you can see here it takes.
  • 42:15It's a little bit more technical
  • 42:17demand technically demanding
  • 42:18because you need to have,
  • 42:20you have to dissect out the pedicle
  • 42:22to the the each part of the muscle.
  • 42:25But for example here the muscles being
  • 42:27attached to the lower lip so that the
  • 42:29lower lip can depress like it like it
  • 42:31naturally does when when you try to smile,
  • 42:33smile.
  • 42:34Of course there are increased complications
  • 42:37as as it becomes more complex.
  • 42:39So here at our facial nerve program
  • 42:42we've had over 50 plus patients
  • 42:44that come through our clinic in
  • 42:46in the last six months and we
  • 42:48we're continuing to rapidly grow.
  • 42:50We've done 15 or so reanimation
  • 42:53procedures already.
  • 42:54We have clinics both at Smilo and Milford.
  • 42:57We've set up a very standardized epic
  • 43:00workflow for Botulinum toxin injection.
  • 43:03We've partnered with the
  • 43:04physical therapy department.
  • 43:06We had a recent guest lectureship with
  • 43:08training of of Southern Connecticut
  • 43:10physical and speech language pathologists.
  • 43:13And so we're on a pretty
  • 43:15exciting trajectory right now.
  • 43:17And so I'm very privileged and
  • 43:19honored to be a part of this,
  • 43:21this growth and I can't thank Ben Judson,
  • 43:24Sarah Omera again Lee enough for for their
  • 43:27support in in helping this program take off.
  • 43:30And of course I want to thank Kevin again
  • 43:33for the opportunity to present today.
  • 43:35I leave you again with these three takeaways.
  • 43:38Realizing that facial palsy
  • 43:39is is not just aesthetic,
  • 43:41it's functional, it's psychological.
  • 43:43Every patient has an option and the
  • 43:46surgery we do can really re establish
  • 43:48function and form for for these patients.
  • 43:50Thank you and I I'm happy
  • 43:51to take any questions.
  • 43:55So this is really inspiring.
  • 43:59You know, I I will say I'm struck by
  • 44:04the fact that you know our face is,
  • 44:08you know the IT is the vehicle
  • 44:10that we all use to communicate
  • 44:12and engage with the world.
  • 44:13And really it is how we
  • 44:18facilitate relationships.
  • 44:20And to you describe your experience
  • 44:24with watching some of these
  • 44:25patients after reanimation and
  • 44:27just how gratifying that is.
  • 44:28It is really a lifesaver in almost
  • 44:32the same way any other cancer
  • 44:34treatment is if not more so.
  • 44:36The question I have Suresh is many
  • 44:39of these patients appear to live
  • 44:42through some extended period where
  • 44:44they really are compromised in
  • 44:46their ability to move their face to
  • 44:50smile to engage what what kind of
  • 44:53resources do we have or or should
  • 44:57we be developing to support people
  • 45:00in that in that period where they
  • 45:03must feel incredibly isolated.
  • 45:07Absolutely. You know I think the
  • 45:10psychological component is is is
  • 45:12it's a huge component and even and
  • 45:15so there are you know I think that
  • 45:18facial palsy is becoming more and
  • 45:19more multidisciplinary as people
  • 45:21realize that you cannot do it alone.
  • 45:24You know it it takes a village and it
  • 45:26and it takes a a people specialized
  • 45:28in their own areas and so including
  • 45:31psychiatrists or or therapists on the
  • 45:34team is becoming much more common.
  • 45:37And I think it is a really important
  • 45:39part And and I think that's an
  • 45:41area that we need to grow into and
  • 45:43we haven't established that yet.
  • 45:45But I'm really glad you brought that
  • 45:46up because I think it's it's under,
  • 45:50it's under addressed.
  • 45:50You know and I have a lot of my patients
  • 45:52that come in and they're you know they
  • 45:54are glad that they survived their cancer.
  • 45:56But now it's like you know they're
  • 45:58they're walking around and they're
  • 45:59like I I still don't feel great
  • 46:01because of of this of this problem.
  • 46:03And so another thing we're doing
  • 46:05on the front end is when we had
  • 46:07these cases where we know the facial
  • 46:09nerves going to be sacrificed,
  • 46:10we make it a a point to make sure we do
  • 46:13upfront facial nerve reconstruction.
  • 46:14It used to be that people would
  • 46:16be like just get the cancer out,
  • 46:17we'll deal with the nerve later,
  • 46:19we'll we'll like,
  • 46:19we'll take care of it later.
  • 46:20But you know I think that ERA has,
  • 46:22has is definitely coming to a close as
  • 46:24we realize that we have an opportunity
  • 46:27up front to prevent you know,
  • 46:29severe sequelae for these patients.
  • 46:31So.
  • 46:33So thank you. So Doctor Mayer
  • 46:37asks a question but yeah,
  • 46:39what types of tumor and cancers
  • 46:40are most common that need this
  • 46:42is timing to referral important?
  • 46:45Yeah, it's a great question.
  • 46:46So you know I think the the the two
  • 46:50most common I would say are either
  • 46:52squamous cell carcinoma of of the
  • 46:54parotid region that ends up requiring
  • 46:57some sort of radical parotid ectomy
  • 46:59and facial nerve sacrifice or two
  • 47:03even vestibular schwannoma patients.
  • 47:05So patients that undergo either
  • 47:08surgery or or stereotactic radiation
  • 47:09for treatment end up with a lot
  • 47:12of facial nerves sequela and
  • 47:16I think the sooner the better.
  • 47:18I I I never say no to a new facial
  • 47:21palsy referral and and usually the
  • 47:23reason is because the sooner they
  • 47:25they get plugged in they the the they
  • 47:28don't even realize that there are all
  • 47:30these resources that there's physical
  • 47:31therapy available that there's even
  • 47:33speech pathologist that can help with
  • 47:35the this articulation issues And so
  • 47:37early referral I think as soon as you
  • 47:39have a patient that even and so we
  • 47:41haven't even talked about Bell's palsy.
  • 47:43But patients with Bell's palsy that
  • 47:44don't recover after a couple of weeks,
  • 47:46the sooner they get referred the
  • 47:48better because we know that if you
  • 47:50don't recover the the longer it
  • 47:51takes you to recover the worse your
  • 47:53long term facial function outcomes.
  • 47:55So or early referrals is a big part of it.
  • 48:05So I'm just going to ask one more question.
  • 48:08I think we probably have a mixed audience
  • 48:10who are overwhelmed and don't want to
  • 48:12don't want to venture out there. But
  • 48:15you know one
  • 48:17of the things that we often struggle with
  • 48:22in procedures that are not accentrative
  • 48:27but are reconstructive is we sometimes
  • 48:31battle with payers over the question
  • 48:36of cosmesis versus real therapy.
  • 48:39And I think what you've shown all of us in
  • 48:43a really powerful way is that this is these,
  • 48:47this is function and life saving therapy.
  • 48:50Are there challenges we face with payers
  • 48:54particularly for patients who are
  • 48:56coming from outside of the system for
  • 48:58these very specialized reconstructive
  • 49:00procedures or is it generally OK
  • 49:03you know the the good news is for
  • 49:07most facial palsy related care
  • 49:09most insurances will will cover
  • 49:12even botulinum toxin injection and
  • 49:15physical therapy referrals and and
  • 49:17most surgeries get covered It it
  • 49:21becomes tricky when you want to do
  • 49:25something for the contralateral side.
  • 49:26So for example somebody has a very
  • 49:28weak face and they need you know they
  • 49:30just have so much redundant skin that
  • 49:32a facelift is part of what you need
  • 49:34to do to to re establish the symmetry
  • 49:37of the face it we run into these
  • 49:39issues where then the other side looks
  • 49:40you know it has normal aging and so
  • 49:42they want to have a contralateral
  • 49:44procedure and things like that.
  • 49:45And so of course insurance is not going
  • 49:47to cover that and so we just treat
  • 49:49that as a as a cosmetic procedure
  • 49:51if the patient's interested in that.
  • 49:54But for most functional issues
  • 49:56especially related to the eye
  • 49:59related to drooling or facial,
  • 50:02you know lack of smile,
  • 50:04fortunately pairs are pretty
  • 50:07supportive and it's becoming more
  • 50:08and more recognized that this,
  • 50:10this is necessary.
  • 50:17Well I think it is really
  • 50:19important for our community to
  • 50:21to be aware of these incredible
  • 50:24resources and it's exciting to see
  • 50:26the work that's being gone going on.
  • 50:29We're really glad to have you
  • 50:30here in the head and neck team,
  • 50:31including the medical oncologists
  • 50:33and the radiation oncologists.
  • 50:35And if there aren't other questions,
  • 50:38we will wrap up and give people
  • 50:40a few minutes back in there to
  • 50:42enjoy their spring evening.
  • 50:44So thanks so much everyone.
  • 50:46Thanks Doctor Mohan.
  • 50:47Thank you, Doctor Billingsley.
  • 50:48Have a good night.